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Sounds like the same skullduggery that VW did when testing how clean burning their diesel engines were by shutting down certain cylinders while being tested! End result, they switched to electric motors!
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BTW Apple iPhone 13 Pro Max still the battery king of all smartphone, despite having a battery less than 4,400mAh.
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There’s something that needs to be said from this… I would prefer that everyone needs to have a certain level of transparency when showing the next gen chips… Essentially for me all day battery life compared w less time near a wall outlet is what I really need… Forget thinness of the phones… larger more thicker phones w a good amount of efficiency and good battery savings paired a good durable housing and easily replaceable parts is key to me getting my phone moving forward…. Another great quality video Arun… Cheers
Heavy slab of a brick in your pocket? Yeah no. Lol.
It is so "IRONIC" that your comment have 3K likes while the Mrwhosetheboss comment are only have 1.7K
That's a great solution, except that most consumers have issues with increasing weight, size and thickness in phones. Biggest complaint from customers are phones to big and bulky I want it to fit in my pocket. 🙄
That limits your phone choices to a few laptops!
well said. I'm sick of holding paper thin smartphones. I want thicker phones with 10 000-20 000 mah batteries. I grew up in the era when phones could last 7 days while unused and even longer when turned off. back then heavy users spent 2-3 days to deplete the battery. this standard needs to be brought back especially for the prices we pay. for the moment I will only by mid range phones until companies get it together.
As mentioned in the video, I wish manufacturers would shift focus from constantly increasing the power of the chips, to improving them in other ways. Stuff like better power efficiency would be an upgrade consumers would actually benefit from to a much larger extent.
They have the tech, but just release a bit at a time, so people keep buying the newest model. Having worked in the belly of the beast (phone company, legal dept.), I can guarantee that this is all marketing. Every 6 months, a NEW feature! Well, not really. wink, wink
For years they have been touting the Snapdragon version of their flagship phones and then quietly selling the inferior exynos version in Europe.
Thing is this has been going on for years, meaning that last year's phone were also limited in performance. The actual performance the users see is improved from the throttled down phones of years past.
Exactly!
@Iqbal Iqbal only reports I read about issues with wifi connectivity were with the exynos chip which was primarily used in the eu if I remember correctly.
@Francisco Maldonado Thanks
@Anthony Drake That's a personal choice. If it was me, and as long as I was happy with my phone, I wouldn't change default settings. But that's just me. Others may view things differently.
I did receive the GOS patch from Samsung. So with all of this going on, is it best to leave it on or turn it off. I don't play games on my phone and I'm now with the s22 Ultra (I love my phone, been using notes since note 4).
You would need a radiator and a fan to sustain even a 5 watt CPU at peak performance. But you can run it at peak for about 5 minutes, and then slow it down before the temperature goes too high and voila you don't need a fan. 5 min or less is enough for most users to complete whatever task, OR they may only need top performance for little short bursts even if they use their phones for hours... unless it's a video game. Games, especially 3D games often require every bit of performance out of the chip AND for extended periods of time. You can limit the frame rate to save power and prevent the chip from heating up but everyone wants more, always. Most games on smartphones are limited to 30fps even if your screen can refresh at 90 or 120Hz the game still render at a lower rate and at a lower resolution than your screen's native specs. This is all done in the name of reducing power consumption and heat. Out of most apps, games are by far the most power hungry and demanding of performance. Designing software that reduces power consumption and heat while allowing the chip to perform as fast as it can under the given constraints is what every smartphone maker SHOULD be doing. That the problem is the tendency of manufacturers to believe their users are idiots and providing ZERO control over these features. To Samsung's credit they have given toggles and switches for a lot of the stuff - I was pleasantly surprised to find a "limit battery charge to 85%" function in the settings of my Note that was not there before. It was like a nostalgic moment reminding me why I am a Note user. Silliness aside, I think as the demand for high performance on smartphones gets higher and higher we will start seeing more controls over the power management software. Demand for performance has outpaced progress in making chips more efficient (do more for less watts) so clever software is used instead to manage chips that consume more power than ever before. New phones nowadays are designed around this and are simply not meant to perform at 100% power for any longer than about 5 min. It's an understandable compromise but users need more control over this.
@Davel Hm, phones that have cameras that would maybe be interesting in the performancelevel I'd expect, those are around and over 1000€. For that kind of money I can get a dlsr that performs better and lives way longer, and can buy a decent phone with all basic stuff. Phone pictures are generally speaking only different shades of bad quality. If the goal is good quality, any lower-range dlsr will outperform. But I can understand the argument for the possibility of spontaneous shots and the convenience in general. I'd still argue that for most people standard performance is simply good enough and the random usages are limited. And if I have to point fingers, I'd probably point towards the bottleneck in the software and battery. The hardware is plenty strong even in older mid-range.
@Hellequin Maskharat having maximum performance at your disposal anytime is still what i would prefer, bcz i do need it. Better processor can also mean a better camera etc.
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@Elephant That and it really is without sense to put that much power into devices like that. Most use-cases never even come close to need that.
@Hellequin Maskharat Fair point. From the phone maker's perspective they are just trying to protect themselves from lawsuits by making products "idiot proof."
Although I agree with every thing in the video, I think most people donˋt need to upgrade their phone every year. Keep in mind, that our planet wonˋt do this long, especially, when theirˋs almost no chance to recover the resources.
Even though you've named this video as if it's only samsung's scandal, I'm glad you mentioned other companies being in the wrong here. And that we need to be vigilant to keep them from lying to us. Next step would be to take charts from a presentation with at least a grain of salt. Especially since independant reviews are now coming in to show how straight-up false they are.
Bruh I forcefully disabled GOS. No wonder my phone is not working fine. 💀
@C _ yes they haven't Samsung has always lowered the price of their devices this isn't anything new. They are known for giving great deals and especially great trade in deals They did these deals before any negative press so you're wrong Says the apple fanboy and Samsung hater that couldn't provide any proof lmao
@Bob Marley So you still believe Samsung haven’t down anything to slow the device. So why has Samsung dropped the price of this device and before you say they do this, it’s Samsung who has said it’s because of the negative press because of what’s happening with that device, Go educate your self about what Samsung have done and stop being such a fanboy.
@C _ wdym? No they didn't Games can still perform to their benchmarks. Like I said only if certain games are played for long periods of time then it will slow down to avoid overheating
@Bob Marley Well in that case what happened when the name of the benchmark app got changed. Oh yes the device didn’t operate at the same speed. Samsung allowed any benchmark app to get the devices full potential unlike every other app that’s not a benchmark mark app. You did see that didn’t you?
hope manufacturers start focusing on the cooling and battery side of things more.
@Joushy Mobby why should i buy apple just because of battery life?-the technology is dated and expensive
Buy apple if you want battery. iPhone pro max versions have long battery life.
but consumers focus on performance-rather than battery efficiency
@Max Der Große facts bro
This and faster RAM and storage, while I'm at it bring back the Headphone port. Also I want to see the SD card slot back in flagship smartphones too, what is this trend with shedding features for the most premium phone???
Hi. I must again say you speak wonderfully! I have been using computers for 40 years now and I have seen all the chip manufacturers lie about the max performance - especially with laptops. If you look at desktops it is not so bad as whenever I am using my desktop (currently on a 5950X AMD) it is shown as running 4.7 to 4.8 GHz in Windows Task Manager all cores and I like it as the base core speed is quite low of 3.4GHz. However, the so called 4 core HP Laptop I have bought which houses an Intel i7-1195G7 (up to 5.0 GHz as per specs) I am just able to get over 3GHz even with power performance in a AC power on state. Interestingly this so called 5GHz CPU when I look at the base in Windows Task Manager it is of 1.8GHz! Here the laptop manufacturer perhaps having the blessings of Intel is clearly lying. Maybe to realize the full speed the machine will need to be double in size and that is not practical but why the misleading advertising!! They are just making fools of us end users. I have seen this before in my previous laptops, so the sinister practice is very much on and now the mobile companies have come to the party. Cheers!!
Thanks for bringing this up. I always wondered on this; on benchmarking scores and the actually performance of the device during stressful gaming.
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For me one of the most important things in a phone is battery life - I’m not that interested in slightly higher peak performance that’s only gonna drain my phone anyway. However I do agree that Samsung shouldn’t have hidden this feature from their users and used it to manipulate their customers…
@DENVEROUTDOORMAN Because that was with a small number of old phones with degraded battery. Replacing the battery would fix the throttling. Samsung, however, just throttles their phones regardless of age. There’s a clear difference that samsung fanboys seem to ignore
@Android One IU 4.1 and Apple throttles older phones and have lots of bugs
@xfray yet Iphone does all the time ooops
@Darth Raider as opposed to Iphone fanboy!!! Funny how you never say shit about all other companies do it!!!
@S H yet you forget about Iphones throttling their older phones and big problems with bugs etc!!! But Apple Fanboys say nada why????
For years they have been touting the Snapdragon version of their flagship phones and then quietly selling the inferior exynos version in Europe.
@Crumbz McChip exynos chips are worse and heats more and have much worse performance its a known FACT. idk about this year but last year and before the SD chips were always like 2 years ahead of exynos. exynos also throttle much more. I hope they fixed them this year
The Exynos chips arnt exactly inferior, and in previous models the Exynos has been the better CPU compared to Snapdragon so... Not to mention Exynos chips have basically had 'Efficiency Cores' for more than literally 10 years now, so can achieve better battery life because of it.
All things I already knew, but set out in a very entertaining and informative manner. The only point I would contend is that a chip running at under max performance also runs more efficiently. A chip with a 30% performance boost can run sometimes significantly more efficiently than the previous generation chip at the same level, especially when the manufacturing process is improved between generations.
Nvidia and Intel have been caught several times each cheating benchmark tools too over the last 20 years or so. Probably AMD as well but I'm not remembering a specific instance with them.
Idk why is it so hard for these companies to be transparent. We’re paying thousands of dollars for these devices so the least we deserve is some honesty.
I know bro, bcoz they r expecting crores from the future. They want the hype to be sky high, transparency is not help them to do so 😁
It would've been useful if big influencers like you covered the issues on S22 Ultra for eg audio video delay so that Samsung finally does something to fix it quick. On the flip side nice video as always!!
@Marko Zivanovic feel like a rushed phone maybe that’s why it look the same
@Bob Marley I don't see why not. I've switched to S21 Ultra after 10 years of iPhones and after 6 months I'm starting to think about going back. I find Android way too gimmicky - I don't know if it's just my previous iPhone habits but other than an Outlook widget I mainly use grids anyway like iPhones for the apps. It is frustrating how less polished Android apps are compared to iOS - again might just be the apps I use. The camera is crap too.
I thought all manufacturers has been doing this ever since! Camera, hardware, and software optimizations. Too bad for Samsung, it's the only one getting hit big time! 😅
@Suq Maddiq Vague comment.
@Tony Hawk Bro he even went over this in the video you're commenting under
For Camera I want taking Huawei Mate DX0 rank always 1st if using google service but not because USA jeaolusy Huawei get banned
@Grant The difference with Apple is that they were slowing down older phones to try to eek out as much battery life as possible. Samsung is doing this from Day One, in all apps, apparently from benchmark apps. Both are bad, but Samsung did this intentionally to make their phones look better than they actually perform in normal use. Apple at least limited the performance of ALL apps. PS. I'm a Pixel 6 Pro owner, and have had multiple Samsung devices, phones and others. Probably the most anti-Apple person I know.
I remember when my Galaxy S9 plus was taking anything thrown at it like a charm now its staggering af sometimes. By the way love the production quality and animations in this video 👌
Like I can literally run Fortnite on my S20+ but even just making an instagram story with those animated sparkles etc. makes it seem slower than my old iPhone 6...
I've had mine for 2 years now(used for 2 years prior by my sister) and its only just started to give me lag in the past few months(battery life is terrible but thats mainly bc I turn my phone off like once a month lol. I get through most of the day with the adaptive battery setting tho). I think 4 years of stellar performance is decent. I'm ready to let it go, knowing I got a lot out of it 🤷🏾♀️ Edit: I could send it to samsung to fix it up, but I bought it off my sis for $100 and its $200 to replace battery and screen(mines cracked). Id rather buy a new phone than fix an old one
@TRXP RFT yeah it does. I'm planning to change it soon
That has nothing to do with this video topic. Probably it's time for hard reset for You and free some memory...
@kacey not sure on s8, but when i had typing issues (s9+), the culprit was the rear fingerprint sensor, so I disabled the gestures part (i used to pull down notifications with it) of the sensor, and everything worked great again. The fingerprint sensor is still on, and works, i just no longer allow it to use gestures. I also don't use the stock UI. And I have all UI animations turned off in the dev options. I dont need to see the animation of a folder closing or opening for ex (saying that, i have animations turned off on every pc i set up too - I just find the eyecandy aint worth the slight wait or performance hit).
Dont forget about the degradation of the flash memory over time and the same with the battery life. Is it a problem when you can run any game on max settings, NOT using full power on a flagship Samsung device? I dont see a scenario where it matters if you have a new flagship phone.
Have been a processor fanatic for a while, leading me to pick the Poco X3 pro with its SD860. The initial euphoria of a supremely powerful chipset was offset almost instantly by the heating issue right off the bat. So much so that I'm moving to a SD695 because there's only so far I can go where my aspirations to indulge the formidable processor are offset by my phone becoming an induction cooktop and performance lagging. In hindsight, this seems the most important video of this day and age.
I knew about the benchmark cheating from the past, didn't know we're still trying to pull this crap. As for GOS: I'm not entirely against the idea; I don't need the full power of the chip while scrolling through twitter or something. However this should be clearly communicated to the user, and I have to be able to turn it off on a per app basis, or in its entirety
@Jazz Man no they aren't. GOS doesn't boost benchmarks
@Bob Marley it’s a scandal because they are using GOS selectively to boost benchmark results, not because they are limiting app performance
@sj yes they were
@Bob Marley No they were never public about it.
@sj you don't need to disable GOS in the first place GOS existed for years PUBLICALLY It just got more attention now then it did before Yes they were public about it They didn't get caught they have said this for years no one paid attention to it until now
I just hope that one day we will have mid range smartphones with almost all the features of flagship phones.
I knew this service since 2017 when I got my J7 prime, I remember bruteforcing it to crash to play with better performance, not ideal, but things got worse as I expected, just hope (as meaningless as it can be) to have these companies actually to do something that keeps performance and battery life
I always thought the game optimization was taking away cpu power from other apps and directing more power and performance to the game
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@Mrwhosetheboss As always Very informative video Boss😎 As you said it would be great if they decide to genuinely fix the issue like developing new batteries or more efficient processors, but I think those companies lost the ability to simply and naturally respond to such feedback, from inside they are no longer one unit as we think!! In reality Samsung, Apple…etc are divided into many main and sub groups, it’s very complicated but the main two groups are the shareholders who are only concerned about their shares value and/or dividends(unlike original owners who have inspiration to achieve something) on the other hand you have board of directors and operational managers who are only concerned with their yearly bonuses and incentives. So unless what we demand happens to cross over their goals, they don’t bother😞
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Those numbers were always a bit shady for me since, when actually comparing both the new flagship and the previous one, you wouldn't even get close to those numbers. Let's hope manufacturers start focusing on the cooling and battery side of things more.
@Matt Romanak yeah, sorry. Their phones don’t have their own chips in America and I forgot. I’ve heard Exynos bad tho?
@HY not only does apple have better optimization but they don’t cram duplicate apps down our throats like android does unfortunately.
@Ian Williamson Samsung does maske their own chips unless they stopped recently. They were only used in a few places which is dumb. Either ditch the snapdragon and go all in on your own chip Samsung or commit to the Snapdragon 100%. Still love the Galaxy phones but I’m not a power user either music streaming is the most strenuous thing I ask the phone to do
it's a little on the consumer as well, we need to stop being wowed by big numbers or thirsting after more power, more speed, etc. when we don't need it, and instead focus on the things that do matter.
@Rayhan Rizvi I think you’ve got something mistaken. Speed limiters, or governors, are advertised in the first place. For example people know a BMW 5series can go up to about 155mph. They KNOW in the first place and car companies are open about them. RPM limiters are the same. Car companies notify these things beforehand and cars are built this way in the first place. These limiters are part of the advertised speed specs. Samsung on the other hand falsely advertised and did these things in secret so there is a huge difference. Also these limiters are there to prevent people from EXCEEDING MAXIMUM speed limits. The Samsung GOS PREVENTS you from actually going up to MAXIMUM advertised specs. Again a huge difference. This Samsung scandal is more like the Volkswagen diesel scandal. You should go look it up.
I love the way you break down technology so that us non-techies can get a handle on it. Good stuff.
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So, what I get out of this is that if I rename a game to the same name as benchmarking software, I can get the game to run at full speed...until it explodes, of course. I have an MSI gaming laptop where MSI explicitly says the power limitations they have on the processor and the gpu. Maybe smartphone manufacturers should be doing something similar.
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Here's the thing though. If they've been throttling the chips the entire time, it actually would still be an improvement over last gen. Just because it's not running at capacity, doesn't mean it's not running faster than the last one, which also wasn't running at capacity.
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WE're PAST the point were we need extra performance from generation to generation. If Qualcom releases next year a chip that consumes 20% less energy but has no performance gains. That's still huge.
@Phat Planet Lmao. Qualcomm should be striving to be like Apple. They are still beating them in performance with nearly half the power draw. No wonder iPhones get way better battery life
No, don't stop progress because "it's good enough", then you turn into Apple, selling obsolete hardware (screens, camera, ram, glass, battery) and calling it flagship.
@Hyperbolinen I mean if you jumped from the Nord with 765 even a phone with 870 would feel overkill. So it's not that the bionics are insane the sds are too! Just that they suck with regards to battery life
Meanwhile Apple is getting consistent performance AND efficiency gains every year. Y’all should stop giving Qualcomm a pass
@̇ I don't game on my phone. Rather use a switch lite. 🤔 Guess the only ppl that benefit from performance upgrades would be gamers but that's it. And most of those games are made to run on lesser hardware. 🤷
I am an unabashed Apple fanboy and have been since my very first iPhone in 2007. But honestly, who cares how well a phone scores in benchmarks these days? All of them are fast enough for day to day use. In this specific case though, it does seem a bit silly for Samsung to try and boost its scores given that so many other android phone makers will be using the exact same chip.
I wonder if apple enforces this type of limitation. It's just really hard to catch apple doing this stuff as most of their system is proprietary and closed.
@Aninny Moose What do you even mean by 'not free'? Also, i never said a normi would be able to get the hidden code from any OS. It will be security organisations and professional who expose it. My point was Android is much more open and easier in terms of finding our hidden code and vulnerabilities and comparitively it's very hard to find it in Apples proprietary device.
hate to tell u this but...Android .... the hardware level and the drivers are not free! Shocking. Most of the services and apps on a phone are hidden and buried under permissions and only intended for development and debugging.. good luck as a normi trying to balance proprietary API access, managed services, and both ends of the spectrum as far as high/low level stuff works
They do in a way. They've been found multiple times to release "updates" that decrease the performance of older phones so people buy the newer ones